PS3 Whine and Cheese, popular games that annoy us

[yinkin]

Last night on Uncharted I was charging my headset so I couldnt join in, but I was listening in to the members of the room complain about the various features of our most popular games which annoy them, so I thought it might be interesting to provoke discussion here and allow people to complain about the bits of games that really get on their goats like the grumpy old blokes and blokesses we really are.

Sniping, if we do it we are expert assassins, the pinnacle of the sneaky arts, when anyone else does it they are campy lightweights, Battlefield has increasing number of people who do nothing for the team but sit about in trees waiting for the real workers to go get the objectives. I know these folks will say they are doing worthwhile stuff like spotting, or I dunno not getting shot I suppose, but really they need to get a life put some effort in. Uncharted also has snipers who cause problems, why is it people cant play the game in the right spirit and have some fun (we assume the snipers are not having fun, much like accountants cant be having any, can they?). They do provide nice stationary target for the mortar in BF3 though

Power Weapon Hogs - Uncharted springs to mind here, the guys who do nothing but go straight to the grenade launcher, rocket launcher or sniper rifle, use it and then return to get another one. I mean let someone else have a go. It is such a cheesy way to get cheap kills, its a wonder we arent all doing it. You could also apply this to the guys who always nick the tanks or the jet fighters on battlefield and then tootle about all game doing nothing but fly or driver into tall buildings or mines repectively.

Battlefield, why are the buildings indestructible, in bad company 2 you could knock the whole thing down, now you just blow out a few discrete panels here and there, so much for frostbite 2, I am sure some will say that it makes each map a little fairer keeping more terrain about to provide cover, but destructible scenery is a feature, not a bug.

Massive unlock trees, the in feature of all shooters now including COD (which started it all), KIllzone3, BF3, uncharted etc, the early arrivals in the game get a massive boost unlocking all the perks which means they can lord it over all other players, great in theory, it encourages longevity in a game and rewards prolonged play, but it also puts off late arrivals to the game who get mercilessly slaughtered and it also means that there is never a level playing field.

Perks in general are also a massive pain in some games extended stab reaches, invisible snipers, super powerful grenades make each game not about skill, but about what loadout or options you chose before the game.

I could go on about other things such as spawn camping, the server commandants of BF3 and laggy bastards but my fingers are tired

 

[ColSonders]

My biggest gripes with games these days are unlockable super weapons and DLC rip-offs.

The unlockable super weapons came first, started by COD (that ****ing game has a lot to answer for), where by players who have the time to spend on a game and get good are rewarded with weapons that are better than the starting weapons, the idea behind this is to add longevity, which yes is a great idea, but has been very badly implemented in various games in the past, the worst culprits that i've played are the Socom games, Confrontation and Special Forces, though CoD is also bad for this.
The whole idea that spending 400 hours online will unlock some extra stuff is great, but why make it stuff that gives those who've gained experience (via the 400 hours required to unlock) an advantage? Make it a fecking pea shooter that looks cool as ****! Those who have gained experience and want to show off can then do so by annihilating people with a gun that's worse.
Socom Confrontation had this quite badly when the Specialisations were patched in, requiring silly amounts of time in ranked rooms to max them out and get a stonking advantage over those without the time or skill to unlock them.
Socom Special Forces was horrific too, with 400-500 required for someone of my skill level to unlock everything, and those things you unlocked made a BIG difference. God help those of us who are getting on a bit and struggle to get kills, it would literally take a lifetime to unlock everything.

Now onto Battlefield 3, a game that almost had it right! 'Most' of the guns in BF3 are very well balanced and it's more of a case of finding a gun that suits your play style, many people here will have heard me complaining about the FAMAS being an aweful gun, worst in it's class in my opinion, where others feel it's the best in it's class. That goes to show how well balanced it is.
But I wish they'd allow you to pick a single attachment as your starting attachment for the gun so that you don't need to use iron sights, which on some guns makes it very difficult to get enough kills to unlock a usable sight...the FAMAS being one of these for me, I don't engage people at point blank with hip fire, so using a gun that is innacurate over range is bad enough as it is without the iron sights covering most of your screen and certainly the whole area you need to see to kill anything.
Similarly I wish they'd done the same with vehicle unlocks, and this is the area that really gets some inbalance in the game, a new player with nothing unlocked in a jet or heli will really struggle in the air with experienced pilots. I do strongly believe that the weapons unlocked in the vehicles make little or no difference, Tanks most powerful weapon is it's main cannon, Jets are best at killing with their guns, Heli's are best at killing with their stock weapons...but the countermeasures make a world of difference, ECM jammer and under the radar make it very difficult to take an air vehicle out from the ground or the air without using guns, but a newbie has no defense at all.

DLC - completely ruining the gaming market, companies regularly sell unfinished games, or games with parts locked down and only unlocked through micropayments. I'm gonna leave it at that as I could literally bang on about this all day, but i'm at work.

 

[yinkin]

Oh yes the DLC rip off, what annoys now is that what dlc you get can depend onwhere you bought the game with shop specific dlc add ons.

I also agree about the vehicles, I have no points in the jets on BF3 and I think it is unlikely I will get them now, as there is no way I can compete with fully tricked up pilots out there.

 

[Jkrohn1]

I agree, but I also hate the famas and that said I see people getting great kd using it. I hate the F2000 but again some players are great with it. You find a gun you like and you stick with it adding mods will also help. I was on UC3 last night and heard all about how bad BF3 is. But I enjoy it more then MW3. If we all liked the same thing life would be boring. I'm crap at UC3 moan all the way through the game getting put against top level 75 prestige 4 players at my rank 40 prestige 0. They obviously only play UC3 and it shows. I also sit full clipping people in the back for them to turn around and one shot kill me :-\

My boss at work got bf3 and hated it, I told him to stick at it as gun unlocks will help, I explained what the heavy barrel and stuff did and now he loves it. He's an EggBox gamer so has to endeavour screaming kids.

I also posted on my blog a few months back about dlc, I could also go on about it but as I bought premium its more like a contradiction of what I said :-\

 

[yinkin]

One of my reasons for this thread was that I often see people go on and on about how game x is awful rubbish you would be a complete moron to play and at the same time ignore the obvious and equally stupid faults with games y,z etc

 

[Slaine]

I hate spawn campers on BF3. Fair play to them for fighting their way there and C4ing the hell out of all the vehicles/place, and there is nothing in the rule book to prevent them doing this, but I hate them with a passion. It just doesnt seem to be in the spirit of the game at all.

I hate day 1 DLC, no matter what game. I also hate DLC released that is 100KB in size and is quite clearly a key to unlock whats already on the disc. But more than that, I hate the pointless DLC that the Japs seem to do religously. This is why the Japanese are no longer the best developers in the world; they all just churn out the same stuff and copy each other. Costumes, song tracks, backgrounds etc do not add value to a game.

Rock Band DLC is by far my biggest bug bear. Every day I sift through about 15 songs to get to the latest DLC on Xbox Marketplace. Is anyone buying this crap any more?

I also hate the way DLC fragments an online community. Credit to EA for Mass Effect 3 and its bundles of free DLC to keep it alive. Makes a change that its EA too.

 

[Jkrohn1]

I hate day 1 DLC, no matter what game. I also hate DLC released that is 100KB in size and is quite clearly a key to unlock whats already on the disc.

This should be free the data is on the furkin disc :angry:

 

[yinkin]

one fo the odds things I hate about Uncharted is more of a feature of it gameplay I think than a bug is that the game seems to decide at some point who has killed who, but it takes a fraction of a second to show it sometimes, which means you suddenly seem to come to a grinding halt, unable to move or do anything and then someone grabs you from behind from seeming miles away and you cant do anything about it. I think also this is why you get a lot of the other annoyances like grenades that dont explode, enemies who take ages to die despite you shooting them repeatedly and who then one shot you etc. I sometimes think that uncharted is trying to do too much with its animations etc and it makes it unweildy in other areas.

 

[Jkrohn1]

one fo the odds things I hate about Uncharted is more of a feature of it gameplay I think than a bug is that the game seems to decide at some point who has killed who, but it takes a fraction of a second to show it sometimes, which means you suddenly seem to come to a grinding halt, unable to move or do anything and then someone grabs you from behind from seeming miles away and you cant do anything about it. I think also this is why you get a lot of the other annoyances like grenades that dont explode, enemies who take ages to die despite you shooting them repeatedly and who then one shot you etc. I sometimes think that uncharted is trying to do too much with its animations etc and it makes it unweildy in other areas.

Argh that gets to me a lot, the strange thing is every game that did this last night wasn't in my cinema? So I cant YouTube the video for everyone to see including naughty dog

I literally ran up behind someone unloaded a full clip, reloaded started on the second clip they turn around and bang one shot kill.

Also the mag5, bloody 5 shots on some twat at point blank and no furking kill :angry:

And that blue ninja bull shit what's all that about it pops up I click punch and my guy just punches into the air like someone having an epileptic fit.

And the hanging grab, knock off crap, how come I can't do either. Some e grabs me I'm ****ed I try and grab someone I'm ****ed.

Sorry about the bad language but it takes the ****ing piss, every Tuesday I leave thinking not gonna play it again, then the next I'm back on moaning about the same shit taking the piss.

Why do my grenades take what feels like a week to blow and other people's take just the right amount of time to blow when it lands in front of me?

Whhhhyyyyy!

 

[yinkin]

It always takes a me a while to get used to the foibles of uncharted, it annoys me no end , until I just accept it and get on with the game, and then I start to enjoy it, but blimey do these things annoy me to start with.

 

[ColSonders]

Surely that's just lag...that's what it sounds like.

The solution to which is not to play with the public.

Unfortunately most games that suffer badly from netcode issues that result in lag tend to only have the laggy players left because everyone else has fecked off to play something less laggy.

Socom 2 was like that last time I played, the only public players were jumping around all over the place with lag, one shot killing, not taking any damage from my shots. It's not fun at all.

There's something else, why can't they allow you to enforce regional settings? Set your game up as EU/UK only or something to help reduce lag...or ffs just set a ping limit and boot people who get too low.

 

[Martok]

Uncharted is one of the worst games for imbalance due to unlocks. Those who have played for ages get perks like triple grenades, the goddam-awful multiple grenade perk, double add-ons to weapons, better weapons, the list goes on. Plus in open ranked rooms those who have played for ages and have a stack of cash can easily purchase the one-off perks in addition to this. I also hate the number of bullets it takes to kill anyone in the game, even when you are shooting at the head. I know it's more arcadey in style than BF3 but come on, it's just ridiculous. Also the fact that every time I go head-to-head against someone else and using the same weapon, invariably I always lose no matter how accurately I shoot at them or if I shoot at the head. Sometimes the game just annoys me so much that I just don't want to play it anymore at that time. I hope the next patch sorts it out.

Games that aren't ready on release really annoy me too, especially those that I have beta-tested. It's simply not good enough and I don't care that they are working to a schedule. Either work bloody harder to get it right on day 1 or move the release date! Don't fill my bloody hard drive up with patches to get the game working as it should!!

Fanboys of games, especially ones that really aren't that good, who go on and on about the game and knock anything that isn't that game. Yes, you know I'm talking about Socom Confrontation as one of these games (though it's not the only one). Socom in its time was a good game but it's now long past it's sell-by date so I hate it when I see the fanboys going on about how great it is (especially when it took a year of patches to get it to where it is now) and knocking every FPS shooter on the market. We all like different things. I like BF3, some like Socom, some like MW3, some like non-shooter games. Just stfu about your game-of-choice and always knocking everybody else's game of choice.

I think I'll shut up now before I throw the computer across the room...

 

[Acegadgets]

well martok i couldnt have put that better myself

 

[yinkin]

Another thing that annoys me, games that you cant get experience pts for if you play them online against your friends. Uncharted is a culprit here, you can play online with your buddies, but you dont count the medals unless it is against the general public. I know they do it to prevent point farming but it is annoying.

 

[Jkrohn1]

Tried Virtua Fighter 5 last night (Free to ps+ gamers), and my god I'm crap, mind you I was getting hit from miles away and going down. I think this is a game where if you play it and your good, your good if your bad, your bad. Sometimes my character wouldn't punch and kick unless a hammered the buttons repeatedly. I tried a few games online, in the end I have deleted it and probably won't play another Virtua Fighter game again

And before anyone says it my controller is fine works on everything else

I also hate you don't get points from private games, but as you said it stops farming of points. Although coop is my new favourite on UC3 points for playing against npc